#CrystalBasketball: Ranking the Philadelphia 76ers for 2017-18

How does every NBA player stack up heading into 2017-18, based solely on the level at which we expect them to play during the upcoming season?

That’s the question 16 NBA Math staff members and contributors sought to answer, ranking each and every player in the sport’s premier league on a 1-to-12 scale and then seeing who emerged with the highest averages. The distant past was irrelevant. Long-term potential doesn’t matter. Only what could come to pass in 2017-18 is factored in, assuming health for those currently healthy and full recoveries from those presently injured. For example, Brandon Knight will still be included in this analysis; we just assumed he’d already completed his rehab for the torn ACL and now has that as a prior portion of his overall injury history.

All players were graded on the following scale by each evaluator, and ties between players with identical averages were broken by sorting the 16 scores from best to worst and propping up the men who had the highest mark at any point in the top-down progression:

  1. Shouldn’t Get Minutes
  2. End-of-Bench Pieces
  3. Depth Pieces
  4. High-End Backups
  5. Low-End Starters
  6. Solid Starters
  7. High-End Starters, Non-All-Stars
  8. All-Star Candidates
  9. All-NBA Candidates, Non-MVP Candidates
  10. Lesser MVP Candidates
  11. MVP Frontrunners
  12. Best Player in the League (only one player could earn this grade on each ballot)

Journey with us team by team as we unveil the entirety of these rankings, culminating in a look at every player set to suit up for the 2017-18 campaign.

Today’s featured squad? The Philadelphia 76ers, who now pair two marquee rookies with Joel Embiid and the rest of their young core.

20. James Blackmon Jr.: 1.08

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 22
  • Position: SG
  • 2016-17 Stats: 17.0 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 0.7 steals, 104.93 TPA (for Indiana Hoosiers)
  • Highest Grade: 2 (Tony East)
  • Lowest Grade: 1 (multiple voters)

Age works against James Blackmon Jr., as the combination of 22 years on the planet and his history of knee injuries gives him a shorter window before his basketball prime is over. And thus, he’ll be afforded fewer opportunities to stick in the Association, especially if he’s unable to develop as a playmaker and add “point guard” to his list of realistic positions.

The 6’3″ is a natural scorer who can create his own offense and knock down shots from all over the half-court set. But without the explosion scoring guards need with their first step in order to thrive at the sport’s highest level, he’ll be too limited if he can’t make significant strides as a distributor.

This is an uphill battle for the former Hoosier if he wants to stick with the Sixers.

19. Emeka Okafor: 1.17

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 35
  • Position: C
  • 2016-17 Stats: N/A
  • Highest Grade: 2 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 1 (multiple voters)

A herniated disk effectively ended Emeka Okafor’s career just before the start of the 2013-14 season…or so we thought. He didn’t receive medical clearance for nearly four years, instead remaining a mysterious figure whose playing days seemingly ended far too soon. But now, he’s back, attempting to provide some depth for the Sixers.

Guessing what he brings is an impossible task. When we last saw the big man, his finishing ability around the rim had plummeted while he remained a defensive stalwart on the interior. But four seasons have come and gone since his last efforts for the Washington Wizards, and Father Time isn’t particularly forgiving.

18. Jacob Pullen: 1.33

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 27
  • Position: PG
  • 2016-17 Stats: 9.5 points, 1.2 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 0.6 steals (for Khimki)
  • Highest Grade: 2 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 1 (multiple voters)

Since going undrafted in 2011, Jacob Pullen has become something of an international journeyman. Without logging a single NBA minute, he’s gotten run for Angelico Biella, Hapoel Jerusalem, Virtus Bologna, FC Barcelona, Baloncesto Sevilla, New Basket Brindisi, Cedevita and Khimki.

That experience around the world will help as he tries to stand out against the backdrop of a young Philadelphia roster. But to do so, he’ll have to light up the scoreboards, overcoming his 6’1″ frame and a distinct lack of defensive ability. He’s capable of doing exactly that, but he’ll have to start hitting his three-point attempts more frequently than he did this past year in Russia, where he fired 4.5 times per game from beyond a shorter arc and connected at a 36.5 percent clip.

17. Furkan Korkmaz: 1.94

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 20
  • Position: SG/SF
  • 2016-17 Stats: 9.3 points, 3.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.1 blocks (for Banvit Basketbol Kulubu and Anadolu Efes)
  • Highest Grade: 3 (Nick Birdsong)
  • Lowest Grade: 1 (multiple voters)

Furkan Korkmaz has flashed across-the-board ability. With athleticism driving to the hoop, touch around the basket, a high release on his perimeter stroke that allows him to avoid contests and pesky defense, he could very well develop into a two-way contributor who adds yet another dynamic weapon to Philadelphia’s ever-growing arsenal.

But before we get too excited about what he’s shown in training camp, we need to remember that the 6’8″ 20-year-old weighs only 185 pounds and struggled immensely during the first portion of exhibition season. In seven combined games at summer league (both in Orlando and Las Vegas), he couldn’t find his shooting touch, had trouble with defense and coughed the ball over too frequently—a clear indication that he’ll likely spend significant time in the G League during his rookie season.

Just don’t make the mistake of expecting too much, too quickly.

16. James Michael McAdoo: 2.31

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 20
  • Position: SG/SF
  • 2016-17 Stats: 2.8 points, 1.8 rebounds, 0.3 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.6 blocks, minus-5.71 TPA (for Golden State Warriors)
  • Highest Grade: 4 (Louis Vicchiollo)
  • Lowest Grade: 1 (multiple voters)

Players this talented aren’t supposed to be operating on two-way contracts, but James Michael McAdoo is an exception. Now, he has to prove his springy athleticism and indefatigable defensive efforts are transferrable, rather than just products of playing limited minutes in a Golden State Warriors system that squeezes extra production out of lesser players.

McAdoo was a hustle guy at North Carolina, thriving as a player who was willing to dive for loose balls and play above the rim on both ends. He doesn’t have to score in order to have substantial value, since he can excel on the glass and show off enough lateral quickness to hang with smaller players on the preventing end.

Those skills translated to Golden State, where he earned decent defensive metrics and averaged 13.7 points and 7.8 rebounds per 36 minutes over the course of three campaigns. Now, can he bring them across the country and stick on another roster?

15. Kris Humphries: 2.44

  • Age at start of 2017-18:
  • Position: PF
  • 2016-17 Stats: 4.6 points, 3.7 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.4 blocks, minus-37.75 TPA (for Atlanta Hawks)
  • Highest Grade: 4 (Ryan Jarvis)
  • Lowest Grade: 1 (multiple voters)

Kris Humphries is no longer just a physical body on the interior who thrives as a per-minute rebounder.

Prior to the 2015-16 season, this power forward had gone 2-of-26 from downtown during his NBA tenure, and both makes came during his rookie go-round with the Utah Jazz all the way back in 2004-05. But he started firing away while flitting between the Washington Wizards, Phoenix Suns and Atlanta Hawks (two attempts per game and a 31.5 percent conversion rate), then kept taking treys during his first full season with the Hawks in 2016-17.

Now, Humphries is coming off a year in which he launched a triple per contest while making 35.2 percent of those deep attempts. It’s not enough to make him a convincing stretch 4, but it’s another element to his game that he could point to while trying to A) make the Philadelphia roster and B) carve out a rotational role.

14. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot: 2.56

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 22
  • Position: SG
  • 2016-17 Stats: 6.4 points, 2.2 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.1 blocks, minus-95.23 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 4 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 1 (multiple voters)

As Jake Pavosky wrote for NJ.com, Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot needs to earn his minutes this season by showing demonstrable improvement in one of two (or both) offensive areas:

Despite showing he has the promise to be a regular contributor, Luwawu-Cabarrot will have to fight to earn his minutes this season.

Offensively, he can do that in one of two ways: by morphing himself into a three-point threat or an off-ball cutter. He’s shown the capability of becoming both, except he needs to learn how to do it consistently. Luwawu-Cabrrot’s set jump shot is textbook, but he’s struggled to show that he can knock it down consistently. According to NBA.com’s SportVU stats, 40 percent of all his shots came in the form of catch-and-shoot threes, yet he only made 32.2 percent of those attempts. There was steady improvement throughout the season, however. By April, Luwawu-Cabarrot converted on 41.2 percent of his 5.7 catch-and-shoot threes per game, up from 27.3 percent on just 1.8 attempts in February.

The season-long numbers weren’t particularly pretty in either area while this French small forward was still a rookie. In spot-up situations, he scored 0.94 points per possession, which left him in the 46.1 percentile. On cuts, those numbers stood at 1.26 and 53.3, respectively.

Fortunately, Luwawu-Cabarrot will now be on the receiving end of passes thrown by much more talented creators, and he won’t just be playing out of necessity.

13. Justin Anderson: 2.94

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 23
  • Position: SF
  • 2016-17 Stats: 7.1 points, 3.3 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.3 blocks, minus-36.15 TPA (for Dallas Mavericks and Philadelphia 76ers)
  • Highest Grade: 4 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 2 (multiple voters)

If Justin Anderson wants to earn significant run and justi(n)fy the pair of voters who viewed him as a top-end backup heading into the 2017-18 festivities, he’ll need to prove himself a three-and-D commodity who can capably defend shooting guards, small forwards and power forwards. Built like a tank, he’s already on his way toward using sheer physicality to fulfill the latter part of the criteria, though he could stand to demonstrate a bit more attentiveness on a regular basis.

It’s the shooting stroke that’s the bigger issue.

Anderson followed up a rookie campaign in which he shot 26.5 percent from beyond the arc by improving to…29.9 percent as a sophomore. That’s still not going to cut it, though it’s encouraging he has off-the-dribble skills and can occasionally create his own offense by driving to the cup.

12. Nik Stauskas: 2.94

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 24
  • Position: SG
  • 2016-17 Stats: 9.5 points, 2.8 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.4 blocks, minus-107.76 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 4 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 2 (multiple voters)

Though Nik Staukas improved as a long-range marksman and showed flashes of potential as a secondary distributor who could create offense for himself and others off the bounce, he won’t find much success until he can finish around the basket. Shooting 53.6 percent within three feet, 20.5 percent from between three and 10 feet and struggling on mid-range attempts simply won’t cut it.

The three-point shooting is nice. A new spin move that he used ad nauseam during his third professional season is nice. But when this is the benchmark, “nice” doesn’t cut it:

11. Jerryd Bayless: 3.13

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 29
  • Position: PG
  • 2016-17 Stats: 11.0 points, 4.0 rebounds, 4.3 assists, minus-11.81 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 4 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 3 (multiple voters)

Jerryd Bayless’ first season with the Philadelphia 76ers lasted only three games before a torn ligament in his left wrist ended his year prematurely. He comes back to significantly more competition for minutes at the point, but his nose for scoring should still lend him some backcourt cachet.

Though his shooting percentages are often unpalatable, this combo guard can routinely create his own looks. Just 34.5 percent of his made two-pointers in the NBA have come off an assist, and he typically works off the bounce for about 10 percent of his triples. Those numbers help add a new element to the Philadelphia offense, even if they come with significant flaws that prevent him from looking like a starting 1-guard for anything more than a short spurt.

10. Jahlil Okafor: 3.31

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 21
  • Position: C
  • 2016-17 Stats: 11.8 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, minus-74.46 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 5 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 2 (multiple voters)

Though we’d recommend reading Adam Spinella’s piece for NBA Math on Jahlil Okafor in its entirety, this excerpt alludes to the good and the bad:

All this discussion comes without going into the weaknesses of Okafor’s jump shot, his lack of versatile rim-protection and defensive ability or how, for some reason, the Sixers have always performed abysmally in the rebounding department when he’s on the floor. These glaring flaws should make other teams hesitate before giving him an opportunity to be their franchise post player.

Still, his production is undeniable—the kid can flat-out score. Even if defenses know what he’s trying to do, Okafor is like a gazelle prancing through, around and over defenders to score at the rim. That skill will always have value, and some team should give him a shot at proving he can be a reliable top scoring threat. After all, he’s only halfway through his rookie-scale contract, and his offensive production far outweighs the financial costs of picking him up.

The 76ers haven’t yet figured out how to use Okafor, and he might not be a great fit for their schemes. But that doesn’t mean he’s not talented enough to earn grades as a starter from two different voters, especially if his Vegan diet really has added some spryness to his profile.

9. T.J. McConnell: 3.38

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 25
  • Position: PG
  • 2016-17 Stats: 6.9 points, 3.1 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.7 steals, 0.1 blocks, minus-91.92 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 5 (Louie Vicchiollo)
  • Lowest Grade: 2 (Adam Spinella)

The jumper you can see above earned T.J. McConnell so much goodwill that he couldn’t possibly lose too many minutes during the follow-up campaign. If it didn’t, maybe this one did:

But the Sixers will still have trouble justifying too large a role if the 25-year-old point guard’s shooting stroke from distance doesn’t improve. He can’t take every shot at the buzzer, and he’s now coming off a year in which he slashed only 46.1/20.0/81.1.

Two of those three numbers are fine. The middle one isn’t.

Fortunately, McConnell’s lack of deep ability is mitigated by his mid-range game and passing acumen. He’s a gifted distributor who understands developing passing lanes and helped the Philly offense avoid falling apart completely just by setting the table for his teammates before playing tough defense on the other end.

This floor general’s more natural role comes as a backup, and he should settle in nicely with fewer minutes—and an enduring, important role—in 2017-18.

8. Richaun Holmes: 4.13

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 24
  • Position: PF/C
  • 2016-17 Stats: 9.8 points, 5.5 rebounds, 1.0 assists, 0.7 steals, 1.0 blocks, 41.62 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 7 (Dan Favale)
  • Lowest Grade: 1 (Brian Sampson)

As Tim Stubbs wrote for NBA Math in a detailed breakdown of Richaun Holmes’ game, this 24-year-old will be a key rotation figure even if he’ll never become a star:

Holmes, in all likelihood, will never be a star, but Philadelphia has another gem on its hands, adding to a roster already littered with young talent. He may have to fight for playing time with Amir Johnson and Jahlil Okafor, but burying him in the depth chart would be a mistake by the coaching staff. As long as Embiid is healthy, Holmes should be the go-to big man off the bench. The Sixers won’t be losing much, if any, production on both ends of the floor by vacillating between the two, and he’s insurance in the event the would-have-been Rookie of the Year gets hurt again. Plus, both players can share the floor together. Couple Embiid’s handles with Holmes’ outside shooting, and Philadelphia has a formidable big-man duo that will leave opponents struggling to match its versatility.

Interestingly, not a single player inspired more division among our voters. Lone outliers existed on both ends, calling Holmes anything from a player who didn’t deserve minutes to a high-end starter without All-Star hope. Even removing them from the equation left a range that varied from depth piece to solid starter.

7. Amir Johnson: 4.38

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 30
  • Position: PF
  • 2016-17 Stats: 6.5 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.6 steals. 0.8 blocks, 71.34 TPA (for Boston Celtics)
  • Highest Grade: 6 (Louie Vicchiollo)
  • Lowest Grade: 3 (multiple voters)

Amir Johnson’s energy is contagious.

The slightly undersized big man (6’9″) never stops hustling on either end of the court, content to maximize his energy by bouncing around—laterally, not vertically—for rebounds and finishes around the hoop. But he’s also developed into a seldom-used floor-spacing option who can do just about anything in small doses, so long as he’s featured in the right role.

Johnson is not someone who should touch the ball frequently, and he’s best when playing alongside a center who isn’t operating on a size deficit. But if those criteria are met, he can morph into an analytic dream with his well-rounded play and ceaseless efficiency. He’s not a star, but he is coming off a year in which he trailed only five power forwards in ESPN.com’s real plus/minus.

6. Dario Saric: 4.88

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 23
  • Position: SF/PF
  • 2016-17 Stats: 12.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.4 blocks, minus-96.12 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 7 (Nick Birdsong)
  • Lowest Grade: 4 (multiple voters)

More efficiency should come.

Even during Dario Saric’s second-half breakout, in which he averaged 17.3 points, 7.3 rebounds and 3.4 assists after the All-Star break, he shot just 43.2 percent from the field, 28.1 percent from downtown and 77.9 percent from the charity stripe. But context, as always, is important. Saric showed the ability to score from myriad situations; he was just tasked with too much responsibility on a young squad stricken by injuries that desperately needed someone to generate offense.

Going forward, he should be surrounded by far more talent. And when that drags defenders away, he should be able to pick apart opposing schemes with the devastating duo of a strong jumper and even stronger (for his size) passing chops. The slash line should improve substantially as a sophomore.

5. Markelle Fultz: 5.31

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 19
  • Position: PG
  • 2016-17 Stats: 23.2 points, 5.7 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 1.6 steals, 1.2 blocks, 147.43 TPA (for Washington Huskies)
  • Highest Grade: 7 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 3 (Tony East)

Markelle Fultz isn’t a perfect prospect.

His defense can be imposing because of his size, but he has trouble remaining disciplined away from the ball and could be hampered by pick-and-roll sets from the get-go. He can grow a bit too aggressive driving to the basket—perhaps a byproduct of serving as a one-man team at the collegiate level. He struggles from the free-throw line, and recent tweaks to his form might not actually be beneficial during his rookie season:

But none of this stops Fultz from entering his initial Philadelphia go-round as one of the top Rookie of the Year contenders.

An incredibly talented scorer off the dribble who can pick apart a defense on the interior or from the perimeter, this point guard should quickly develop into an unabashed point-producing force. Throw in his on-ball stopping chops, impressive vision as a facilitator, glass-cleaning instincts and overall feel for the game, and it wouldn’t be surprising at all for him to immediately justify the three voters who pegged him as a high-end starter from the get-go.

4. J.J. Redick: 5.69

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 33
  • Position: SG
  • 2016-17 Stats: 15.0 points, 2.2 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.2 blocks, 0.0 TPA (for Los Angeles Clippers)
  • Highest Grade: 6 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 5 (multiple voters)

Though the balloting wasn’t quite unanimous for J.J. Redick, all voters agreed he was either a low-end or solid starter. The Duke product is a remarkably consistent force at this stage of his career, playing solid on-ball defense and occasionally finding an open teammate but providing his primary contributions through his legendary three-point stroke.

During his final season with the Los Angeles Clippers, Redick couldn’t quite lead the league in three-point percentage for the second consecutive campaign. He actually posted his worst numbers in the last three years. However, he still took six treys per game and hit at a 42.9 percent clip—a set of numbers only Ray Allen, Stephen Curry (three times), Damon Jones, Kyle Korver, Mitch Richmond (with a shorter arc), Peja Stojakovic (twice) and Klay Thompson have ever matched or exceeded during a qualified run.

The term “gravity,” at least in the basketball sense, was invented to apply to sharpshooters like Redick who warp a defense through sheer perimeter presence. Philadelphia hasn’t had someone quite like him in a while, and he should immediately open up lanes and opportunities for the many young talents in the City of Brotherly Love.

3. Robert Covington: 5.69

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 26
  • Position: SF/PF
  • 2016-17 Stats: 12.9 points, 6.5 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.9 steals, 1.0 blocks, 60.88 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 7 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 4 (multiple voters)

The Philadelphia defense was 9.0 points per 100 possessions better when Joel Embiid was on the floor. It was 7.5 points per 100 possessions better with Robert Covington playing. Maybe the forward didn’t have quite the same impact as his center, but he was another catalyst behind the Sixers suddenly becoming a suffocating unit.

At the beginning of the 2016-17 campaign, Covington received boos because his three-point stroke wasn’t falling. He remedied that not only by shooting 34.8 percent on 6.6 attempts per game after the All-Star break (better, though still not enough to make him a true three-and-D presence), but also by playing lockdown defense that should’ve earned him a spot on an All-Defensive team. He did sneak his way into a fourth-place finish in Defensive Player of the Year, but that’s true in title only since the top three candidates populated nearly every ballot and allowed Covington to edge ahead of LeBron James, Andre Roberson and Hassan Whiteside in a small-sample race.

Covington isn’t just a shot-blocker and steal-earner.  Few players are better at disrupting plays with an extended arm, and the 26-year-old’s relentless film-watching habits have helped him lock down against players at multiple positions. Even when he gets beat, you can count on him hustling to try remedying his mistake before it turns into points.

2. Ben Simmons: 5.88

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 21
  • Position: SF/PF
  • 2016-17 Stats: N/A
  • Highest Grade: 7 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 5 (multiple voters)

Meet your NBA Math favorite for Rookie of the Year.

With every single voter viewing him as nothing less than a low-level starter, Ben Simmons graded out in stronger fashion than any other first-year player. Of course, he’s not really embarking upon his first NBA run-through after missing all of 2016-17 to injury, and that experience working out with top-level trainers and learning how to navigate the Association’s breakneck calendar should pay off nicely when he actually hits the court.

Simmons’ jumper remains a work in progress, but that shouldn’t stop him from using his size and ball-handling abilities to wreak havoc on opposing defenses. With preternatural vision and a quick first step that allows him to attack the hoop at will, he should make an immediate impact and finally turn the Sixers offense into something more than just a respectable unit.

The positionless Australian phenom might not make the All-Star squad as a first-year player, even in the weakened Eastern Conference. But he’s not far off, as evidenced by the four panelists who already slotted him as a high-end starter.

1. Joel Embiid: 8.06

  • Age at start of 2017-18: 23
  • Position: C
  • 2016-17 Stats: 20.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 2.5 blocks, 51.61 TPA
  • Highest Grade: 9 (multiple voters)
  • Lowest Grade: 7 (multiple voters)

This requires a leap of faith.

Joel Embiid still hasn’t received full clearance for all basketball activities, though he’s suited up in half-court games of 5-on-5. Even if he’s on a normal timetable, that’s still concerning after injuries have kept him out for an entire season in the past and he’s coming off a rookie year in which he suited up only 31 times. The big man has zero chance of playing in back-to-backs during 2017-18, and appearing even 60 times would be viewed as a massive stride in the right direction.

Because of that, we’ve likely ranked him wrong.

If Embiid doesn’t touch that 60-game benchmark, he won’t deserve the All-Star and All-NBA consideration granted to him by all but two voters. On the flip side, meeting or exceeding that would likely mean we’ve sold him short. Thanks to the ridiculous two-way prowess that has him doing everything from competing for block titles to knocking down triples, he can look like the league’s best center when he’s in working order.

Just consider this: Per NBA Math’s FATS calculator, the Sixers played like a 19.7-win team when Embiid was either resting or inactive. They fared slightly better when he played:

 

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Many thanks to our entire panel of voters: Andrew BaileyArjun BaradwajNick BirdsongMichael BrockTony EastDan FavaleAdam FromalRyan JarvisJordan McGillisTom RendeBrian SampsonAdam SpinellaEric SpyropolousTim StubbsFrank UrbinaLouis Vicchiollo